ARQANA TROT VENTES DU GRAND PRIX D'AMÉRIQUE 2020

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ARQANA TROT VENTES DU GRAND PRIX D'AMÉRIQUE 2020 a été créé par Alberto

Lot 48 Pleine de FTB d.s. 10 avril Saillie Payée

Rachat € 21.000

:ohmy:
pourquoi personne n’a offert?
Quelle est sa valeur sur le marché français?

www.arqana-trot.com/pedigree/ventes-du-g.../0048/qurla-montaval
Dernière édition: 31 Jan 2020 10:36 par Alberto.
31 Jan 2020 10:33 #1

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Réponse de Pontcaral sur le sujet ARQANA TROT VENTES DU GRAND PRIX D'AMÉRIQUE 2020

Le lot 0050 c'est Bold Eagle...
31 Jan 2020 11:56 #2

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Réponse de Alberto sur le sujet ARQANA TROT VENTES DU GRAND PRIX D'AMÉRIQUE 2020

Pontcaral écrit: Le lot 0050 c'est Bold Eagle...

oui, le prix payé est correct pour la P.Et., génèralement est 3 ou 4 fois le prix de saillie (20.000)
31 Jan 2020 12:09 #3

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Réponse de iroisebleue sur le sujet ARQANA TROT VENTES DU GRAND PRIX D'AMÉRIQUE 2020

Alberto écrit: Lot 48 Pleine de FTB d.s. 10 avril Saillie Payée

Rachat € 21.000

:ohmy:
pourquoi personne n’a offert?
Quelle est sa valeur sur le marché français?

www.arqana-trot.com/pedigree/ventes-du-g.../0048/qurla-montaval


Et ça a donné quoi pour les autres poulinières dans ces âges ?
La jument était en bel état ?
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01 Fév 2020 06:13 #4

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Réponse de kankan sur le sujet ARQANA TROT VENTES DU GRAND PRIX D'AMÉRIQUE 2020

Est-ce la jument a bien été confirmée pleine à la tribune?
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01 Fév 2020 10:08 #5

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Réponse de Alberto sur le sujet ARQANA TROT VENTES DU GRAND PRIX D'AMÉRIQUE 2020

iroisebleue écrit:

Alberto écrit: Lot 48 Pleine de FTB d.s. 10 avril Saillie Payée

Rachat € 21.000

:ohmy:
pourquoi personne n’a offert?
Quelle est sa valeur sur le marché français?

www.arqana-trot.com/pedigree/ventes-du-g.../0048/qurla-montaval


Et ça a donné quoi pour les autres poulinières dans ces âges ?
La jument était en bel état ?


je n'étais pas là, mais il y a la vidéo 1:19:14
ils ont dit "pleine de FTB" et à mon avis les images le montrent ...

01 Fév 2020 12:12 #6

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Réponse de UaUka1 sur le sujet ARQANA TROT VENTES DU GRAND PRIX D'AMÉRIQUE 2020

IROISEBLEUE - can you explain - am fatigue of google traduction

Was the mare sold with options of paying the saille of FTB? at naissance ?

why the breeder bought back the horse after 21ke? - he advertise " Cessation d'Activité"

as far as i see why she didn't get no attention
1- the 2eme mere ete 2eme cat.
2- I suspect Qurla was a 3eme to 6eme cat. qualified by her product , and she became 1ere cat.
3- she's made alot of foals , and putting FTB was a speculation
4- Her products was maybe rented and all her products , so if any of her products were not capable entering a top trainer as location , the owner had his carnet of small trainers, also which big trainer will rent this horse? - just by the pedigree
5- the courtiers and big buyers and big trainers who makes etalons - did not go after this Qurla , because of her pedigree
6- the indivision of FTB - knew all the mares presented , and they know what type of pedigree , the can speculate on as an etalon
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Dernière édition: 01 Fév 2020 14:26 par UaUka1.
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Réponse de iroisebleue sur le sujet ARQANA TROT VENTES DU GRAND PRIX D'AMÉRIQUE 2020

UaUka, i agree with many of your hypothesis.
i was just asking if "old mares" were sold at high prices at this event
(for me she's "old" because of age + number of foalings...even years without foaling...and we can fear
she won't be as fertile for long)

even if the "E" foal is actually performing, FTB is definitely speculation. there is a strong difference
and, as far as i'm concerned and would choose, i wouldn't choose nore pay for FTB for this mare.

she has personal performances but i guess you're right when you say she became 1st cat because of one of her foals.

it is quite strange, indeed, to call it "cessation d'activité" and to get the mare back...but...maybe they had some, you know, commercial
deals besides and it was like a testing moment.

even if i don't think i would put more than this price or just a bit more (even if there is no payement left, it's OK with FTB fees),
it is a low price.

that's why i asked if the mare was in a good shape. of course she had a "J" foal, but sometimes you know when a mare is down,
and some could definitely choose to get a good stallion and stop with her by selling.

i have no idea of the law concerning "cessation d'activité"... imagine the owner was a single person and then this person chooses
to get into a society...it's the end for his "single" business...but not the end in fact for breeding.

i always doubt when a mare in these ages...a mare that should be kept...is sold. and, in my opininion, PdA sellings are a strange event
where you often ask "why ?" "so much ?" "so few ?" 'huh" ?

anayway. i hope the best for this mare and for the breeder working now with her. Horses are special. We can't guess what will happen...
maybe the coming foal will be the next FTB ;-)
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01 Fév 2020 13:29 #8

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Réponse de UaUka1 sur le sujet ARQANA TROT VENTES DU GRAND PRIX D'AMÉRIQUE 2020

www.arqana-trot.com/resultats/ventes-du-...-d-amerique-2020/168

FTB - 2019 according to Le Guide 5000e NR & 15ke PV
FTB- 2020 according to Le Guide - no price , just like Ready Cash - while FTB for jument etranger is 25ke

here are 2 other sales same as the above subject

BEA DRY - Prince Gede & V.W & B.Dream
ELENOR BOKO-Chocolatier & Express Ride & S.Crown

these two were rachat total

1- Bea Dry - PM P.Gede - i don't understand why the courtier of T.D , and the breeder did't invest in this horse?
- i guess T.D or his clients are not there to support FTB
-Bea is 2e cat. -
-2e mere 1cat
-3e mere 2cat. and didn't produce by Blue Dream
-And it seems to me indivision FTB, didn't go for this one
-We know the cold war between TD & SG since Quido du Goutier & Ecurie Griff

2- E.BOKO - a wonderful pedigree , but poofed in sales
- seems the indivision FTB , doesn't take risques , and would try to buy the horse to run in any other country , and only will concentrate on French market to plumer the dreamers here
- DE JONG who buys every JPD & BE

kkkkkkkk

as far as SG goes , we know his career in etalons , his top BE - none hasn't made an etalon yet - and he had the creams of the creams after Ready Cash
before Brill/Bird - yet these two etalons beats him

2017 - top price - GENTE DI ROMA Top Price ( 240ke) running under the color of the owners of FTB, i was there that night we all clapped the Top Price

what i find funny with these top trainers , they spend money of their clients like madness , and never their own money
as i say it - le vache , lait , fromage ,etc etc
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Dernière édition: 01 Fév 2020 15:43 par UaUka1.
01 Fév 2020 15:25 #9

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Réponse de Alberto sur le sujet ARQANA TROT VENTES DU GRAND PRIX D'AMÉRIQUE 2020

iroisebleue écrit: ...
it is quite strange, indeed, to call it "cessation d'activité" and to get the mare back...but...maybe they had some, you know, commercial
deals besides and it was like a testing moment.
...
that's why i asked if the mare was in a good shape. of course she had a "J" foal, but sometimes you know when a mare is down,
and some could definitely choose to get a good stallion and stop with her by selling.

i have no idea of the law concerning "cessation d'activité"... imagine the owner was a single person and then this person chooses
to get into a society...it's the end for his "single" business...but not the end in fact for breeding.


ici, sur ce FORUM ... une réponse ...

c-f.fr/forum/femmes-hommes-trot/4256-gerard-chaudemanche

à propos du "good shape" ... dans ma réponse précédente, j'ai indiqué la minute exacte où voir "quelque chose" de cette poulinière, je n'en sais pas plus ...
Merci pour vos réponses.
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01 Fév 2020 15:28 #10

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